Notes on Prop 8

Here’s their wording on Prop 8:
“Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”

I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and consider that they might try to explain why they are bigoted shitheads….

If they are trying to use logic to defend that, then they use the argument that “marriage is to produce children.”
What about couples who can’t reproduce?
What if a woman had a hysterectomy or a man is sterile? They can’t have children.
Does that mean they can’t get married because, really, what’s the point in your mind? They aren’t going to be popping out any sprogs, so its a waste of time? Right?
Doesn’t matter they love each other and want to protect each other (financially and otherwise) not to mention they want to declare to the world that they are for each other.
Its clearly a waste and just for nasty purposes.


Or they try to say that it would warp children because they would be teaching kids in school that “Prince Charming and Prince Charming-er” are getting married.
I don’t recall being taught about marriage in school. What the fuck does school have to do with this?


Or even that they would be forced to marry gay people in their churches? (Like they follow the law… puh-lease.
They claim their god is their ultimate law…why do they fucking care? And frankly, that bible only precludes to men getting it on, doesn’t say anything about women getting it on…no really, go look it up smartass.)
The court decision regarding equal marriage rights already said “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

So, how would this affect the opponents of marriage between two PEOPLE? It wouldn’t… well, it would offend their RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, but last time I checked there is this thing called separation of church and state.
I don’t want my government making decisions based on religious groups..especially not their religion…

Also, this is so very clearly, obviously discrimination.
We’ve worked so hard to make certain that people (notice I didn’t say men, women, white folks, brown folks, pink folks, purple folks, black folks, plaid folks, xtian folks, wiccan foks, muslim folks, etc) aren’t judged, not hired, fired, sent to jail because of their age, gender, religion or number of body piercings.
Saying who can and can’t get married because of a religious tenet (that not even all religions give a fig about) is against everything we have worked to get rid of over the past however many years.

OK, so lets try this one… this is my test for legislation in terms of discrimination in general… if you can replace the folks in the sentence with another group and not have it be offensive, then it is a bit more equal…

“Only marriage between a christian and a christian is valid or recognized in California.” (yeah, sure, that would go over well)
“Only marriage between a white man and a white woman is valid or recognized in California.” (oh wait, we already fixed miscegenation…)
“Only marriage between a republican and a republican is valid or recognized in California.” (I wouldn’t be surprised by this, they try to get all the tax breaks for themselves…)

Nope, doesn’t work.
All of those preclude two people a right that other people have.

Remember when Virginia tried to outlaw the civil union/partnerships that gay folks were using to protect each other? They wrote the wording so vaguely that it ended up making lots of partnerships, such as two men owning a business together, illegal.

The whole point of the law is to protect all American people. Not make some people more protected than others… if you tried this shit in a job situation, you’d be smashed to bits.
Try not hiring me because I am female.
You can NOT hire me because I am a pain in the ass and can’t code PHP for shit, but that is reasonable.
Not because of my boobs (well, you couldn’t really hire me because of them either.).

Churches are not taxed and therefore should stay the hell out of government policy… you want to be part of the judicial process? Pay taxes and be a business. Write off all the shit you do and the donations you make and the poor unwed teenagers that are pregnant because you said “Just don’t have sex” that you end up taking care of off of your taxes.
Fine; write it off…get a really good accountant and pay your fucking federal and state taxes… but this shit about “I believe in invisible things that tell me all of you are going to burn in a construct that didn’t exist until the Romans beat the hell out of us and we decided to say “We’ll show you! We’ll win when we are dead!”” isn’t going to cut it here.

You can lobby all you want when churches pay taxes and don’t hide behind their status while being political anyway. You will be subject to the laws we all are. This is not the same age as when the church ran the world and ran rampant over things that they have no reasonable jurisdiction over… like me and my own religious beliefs (and my dang uterus.)

Why the hell am I so worked up over this?
I don’t even want to get married. You want to fuck up your life and get married? Go ahead. I don’t care. I think gay as well as straight people should be able to screw themselves by getting married equally (just don’t make me ever do it again.) I am, after all, an equal opportunity pessimist.
What I really object to is RELIGION and churches getting political and inflicting themselves on me.
I don’t belong to your religion, those are NOT my prejudices and frankly, the whole point of this fucking country was to get away from persecution based on your religion….

Guess who’s doing the persecuting now?


Yahoo! News Story – Foo Fighters tell McCain to stop using song

Why isn’t the RIAA doing anything about this…? isn’t this what they say that that’s what they do-protect artists against unauthorized usage of their music? And why is Dave Grohl having to file the suit?

So a baby can’t jam to Prince (barely heard and not even any sort of quality) and McCain broadcasts full quality sound over national airwaves… and nothing. NOTHING.

I haven’t heard a peep from them…

Foo Fighters tell McCain to stop using song – Yahoo! News

Palin Problem comments

choice paragraphs and some commentary by me… please read the whole article though.

Palin Problem
She’s out of her league.
By Kathleen Parker

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

You know, I totally get that people are sometimes put into jobs or situations that are beyond what they are used to dealing with, and that is part of how we learn.
HOWEVER… when you are just taking the training wheels off, the oval office (or one good aneurysm away from it) is NOT the time to do this.
I don’t trust her.
I don’t trust anyone who claims that god talks to them directly and that they know exactly what god wants.
(You can bet if she was wiccan, then the republicans would be talking a whole lot more about keeping religion out of the government….hypocrites.)

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

That’s not even a coherent sentence. “And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both”…. umm, huh?
My Mercury in Virgo mocks her!

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

See now, I disagree. I would criticize her. I would say “Why the hell didn’t you say no when they asked you? Or are you used to bowing out when the going gets tough our you take a little criticism and then blame it on your family needing you?”
She absolutely CAN’T use her newborn (hers? really? they are going to stick with that story?) as an excuse to step down.
If a man did it it would be construed as family-centric and noteworthy, and it would actually be unheard of. When a woman does it, they think, oh well in any crisis a woman will not be reliable because she has to take care of her family. We can’t put a woman in a position of power (like the presidency) because of ovulation or lactation concerns.
And while I think babies are important, if we use them as an excuse for a woman doing anything then regardless of gender equality (snort) that exists (snort) then it will just be used as ammo to prove that women can’t do this kind of work because of the mommy factor.
As much as I think that Sarah Palin is SO NOT ready for prime time, despite the fact that she charmed the pants off of heads of state (and frankly, many socialite wives could do the same thing… charm is handy, but it doesn’t mean you can successfully get this country out of the mess that the last 8 years of Bush bullshit inflicted), if she plays the mommy card then no matter what kind of charm she oozes, then the world at large will think she will use that card again when the going gets tough.
She needs to really realize that this job that she is interviewing for is going to kick her ass and take up her time.
So she’ll need to NOT use that excuse if she decides to bow out.
And please don’t ever let her cry.
Too many negatives to women if she plays a girlie girl in this election.

…and frankly (yes this is a snotty comment) but her kids need more focus from her than they are apparently getting. A knocked up teen when mommy is an “Abstinence works!” kool-aid drinker makes me thinks she’s not going to be able to handle the country.

some fun comments by Richard Reeves

from here: []
Mon Sep 8, 10:01 AM ET

“Romney was a hoot. My favorite. He must hate the media more than most of those who were in St. Paul, because he spoke as if he has not read or noticed anything for years. It is hard to believe he said:
“Is Washington now liberal or conservative? Let me ask you some questions. … Is a Congress liberal or conservative that stops nuclear power plants and off-shore drilling, making us more and more dependent on Middle Eastern tyrants? It’s liberal. Is government spending, putting aside inflation, liberal or conservative if it doubles since 1980? It’s liberal. … Throw out the big-government liberals and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin. … You know, it’s time for the party of big ideas, not the party of Big Brother.”
The big-government liberals he’s apparently worried about are the reigning Big Brother, Vice President Cheney, and the reigning borrow-and-spend budget-busting president, whom I had been thinking was named Bush. ”


“Oops! This just in: George W. Bush is still president and has been for more than seven distressing years. I guess I was fooled by the fact that his name was almost never mentioned in St. Paul. A computer count indicated that Bush’s name was used 12 times as often at the Democratic convention in Denver than in St. Paul …”


“The conventions were fun and games and a bit of fantasy this time around. But except for introducing the country to Gov. Palin of the Yukon, “Caribou Barbie” to the bloggers, I doubt these rock concerts did much beyond holding the contenders in place. This race will still be about Bush’s record, Obama’s race and McCain’s age. ”


“I am not the only fat person in the world. Surely I will not be the only fat person in attendance at the wedding. (I hope. Always, I look for people Fatter Than Me. In that manner I am an Asshole Supreme.) Still, I cannot shake my shame. It is deep-rooted and has grown in me ever since I was five and my father called me “Jenny Jelly Belly”.

My father makes fun of fat people with aplomb. In fact I don’t know who he loves more, fat people or Barack Obama for filling his life with sick mirth. Suddenly, though, he has stopped making these stupid jokes around me. I know that this is in deference to my girth and it shames me even further. He pays for me to go to hypnosis sessions and then cringes when I eat anything other than salads. It’s gotten to the point in which my stomach actually hurts when I see him. My mother tells me to eat small meals and then bakes cupcakes. My mother is a size four. She speaks about fat people in a low voice, as if they have cancer.” [TranceJen]

How I deal with noisy upstairs neighbors

(who seem to have spawned a noisy, stomping and screaming rugrat).
I put on my Broadway list on iTunes (loudly) and warm up to such delights as Les Mis, Rent, Phantom of the Opera, Anything Goes, Guys and Dolls, etc.

And as I am dreadfully out of practice, I am off key and have a lovely howling quality to my voice of late.


They didn’t acknowledge a lot of legislation that California does so I really don’t think it is a matter of them really worrying about their recognizing the marriages…its the fact that the religious people who have been ignoring the whole “separation of church and state” thing are finally having to acknowledge that “traditional marriage” means “marriage defined by a religion” and not a union between two people.

Ten states urge Calif. court to delay marriage ruling
Friday, May 30, 2008
(05-30) 10:48 PDT San Francisco, CA (AP) —

The attorneys general of 10 states are urging the California Supreme Court to delay finalizing its ruling to legalize same-sex marriage.

The states involved are Alaska, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Michigan, Nebraska, New Hampshire, South Carolina, South Dakota and Utah.

The attorneys general say they have an interest in the case because they would have to determine if their states would recognize the marriage of gay residents who wed in California. They want the court to stay its ruling until after the November election, when voters likely will decide whether to amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage.

California Attorney General Jerry Brown, whose office originally argued to uphold the state’s one man-one woman marriage laws, is urging the Supreme Court not to grant the stay.